My very first undescribed species!

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  1. Major Myc

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    here it is, i just got around to firing up the laptop, i'm fixin to start working on posting all our finds from yesterday
     

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  4. Alan Rockefeller

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    Why not call it Amanita jacksonii? They look like that when they fade in the sun.
     
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    some were over 25cm in diameter, twice the published size of jacksonii. But heyHopefully I'll find them again and be more prpared to investigate them next time :)
     
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    Let me guess,Stewart Nelson?
     
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    nope, brookport, check my MO link in my sig for more info :)
     
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    oh right on man,ok:)
     
  9. Alan Rockefeller

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    If the only difference is size, I wouldn't call it a new species. I use Dr. Bas's theory, which is that a new species should have 3 unrelated different characteristics.

    You need a microscope, otherwise your Amanita and Gymnopilus ID's are just guesses...
     
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    you need the specimens in your hands. Otherwise all your id's are just guesses :)
     
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    :ifyoucanawe: Hence the need for a :scope:
     
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    I'm going to ask you to please remain respectful towards Expert Identifiers on this site. Putting a smiley face behind a disrespectful and argumentative comment isn't fooling anyone.

    Keep it clean and respectful or keep your fingers silent. I won't tolerate anything but respect. If you don't like the answer and disagree, find a way to talk it out w/o blatant rudeness.

    First and final warning.
     
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    2 words...... DNA Sequencing. Scopes good but thats better.

    Weren't we just talking about politics the other day dood? :facepalm:

    Pretend your running for mayor. ......

    No one likes a wise ass mayor, just sayin' homie.... :shrug2:
     
  14. Alan Rockefeller

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    No I don't think so.
     
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    well, maybe I'm not often an eloquent speaker, what I should have said is, when atempting to identify a mushroom from only a photograph, with no microscopy/dna, usually any id given is little more than an educated guess I don't think anyone will disagree with that. Well they will disagree, but they will not be correct, in my opinion :(
     
  16. Alan Rockefeller

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    I disagree. Many mushrooms can be ID'd by pictures alone.
     
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    Fly agaric is ID'able with pix only.
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    i bet you could do that with a cube too
     
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    I did say usually. Look, guys, I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just trying to state the facts. Without a better veiw of the stem base of those amanita amerimuscaria nom. prov. it would be dangerous to confirm that id. Also it is a distinctive mushroom. I recall once, Alan, you made an id, only to be persuaded to change your diagnosis (by caphillkid) of stropharia roguso-annulata, another very distinctive basidiomycete. There was some debate on some that KBG posted the other day that may or may not be that species also. There are many less distinctive fungi out there. Maybe some of you think my comments are "argumentive and disrespectful" but I think they are factual, and pertinent.
    Maybe some of you expect I will just lay down, when I feel strongly that someone is spreading misinformation or just plain incorrect. I won't. I thought debate was allowed on this site, but if not fine. Keep your badges and ban me from the site.
    You may think I am "argumentive and disrespectful" but if you were my freinds and wrongly accused of murder, I would be the guy to fight in your defense. If you were getting your ass beat by 3 guys on the street corner, you would appreciate my attitude a lot more. I'm sorry I stand up for what I strongly believe, if everyone just laid down and was passive, where would this world be? I know, back to the time of total monarchy
     
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    Debate is acceptable to me, as long as it follows the guidelines of the platform it uses. The guidelines here are very clear. Respect and courtesy with all members. Your words are rather transparent and your reputation precedes you. Sorry, but that is as kind and frank as I can be. If you don't like being moderated, moderate yourself. Don't leave it on the heads of your friends to do, I don't like to have to do it. As you can see, even in light of our friendship, I will make uncomfortable decisions if you make me.

    No one is on trial for murder and no one is getting their ass beat here. Therefore 'the attitude', as you call it, is misplaced and has more to do with ego than with science.

    To be honest with you, I knew your mushroom was no new species. Even if by some small chance it WAS new you did not meet the burden of proof, which is always on the head of the person who claims it. That's just life, assert something, prove it. You made a very bold statement when you created this thread. You make bold statements, be prepared to be met with the burden of proof, which is exactly what happened here.

    I hope that once you cool down you will see this differently. It's not a personal attack. You had options when considering your response to the challenge of your new species.

    Monarchy = undivided rule or absolute sovereignty by a single person.
    I suppose the owner of a site is it's Monarch and if he sets soldiers in place to do his bidding, well then, yep....you got it exactly right.
     
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