Gving mushrooms to a friend and now he can't deal with it

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  1. Hacendado

    Hacendado Family member Mushroom Doctor Supporter

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    I gave mushrooms a few times to a good friend of mine and he went alone in the forest, realized bunch of things, changed his ways and generally became a better person.
    He even started to collect crystals, talk about mystic things, the usual scenario everyone does after realizing some things.
    The natural thing is that he didn't have much in common with his friends anymore. They all just don't know and poison themselves deliberately, talk about things which aren't of his interest anymore.
    The situation is that every 3rd or 4th full moon he is disgusted by himself. This month is pretty hard and now he even silently blames me for giving him what I have given him.
    He sends me hate and I'm really fed up with it. He told me how he disgusts crystals and mysticism and that I consider myself more worth than the others, in short ; he's a hater.
    He even blames me for becoming asocial.
    Probably he'll be apologizing in a few days how he didn't know what he was doing and shit, but honestly, this time it reached me and I'm fed up.
    I'll see him tomorrow morning at the college and don't know if I should say to him?
    I have 2 options : say everything to him very politely that I am not responsible for his disability of coping with himself and that he has to decide for one of the three people who live in him or just let it go and wait for him to apologize.
    The second option is a bit harder cause I'm really fed up with this hate stuff. I really love the world around me and I give myself to the world, and above all, I'm not responsible for other people's choices, I'm only here to give that choice.

    Can you say something constructive on this topic?
     
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    Let him know how you feel. Stay on topic.
     
  3. Hacendado

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    This is so very true! I just snapped cause this is going on for 2 days now. I also have teeth, but I don't bite anymore, but he really asks for it. I really have to get a hold of myself. I really don't want to take him on the dark side of my mind cause he's a good guy, but I'm really fed up of that shit. Same thing every 2-3 months and how he would never do it again etc. etc. and a few months later he's the strongest guy in the forest knowing everything.
    Then he has a vision and very soon lets it go. And then blames everyone for his failure.
    It is fucked to have a little knowledge and then be on a razor edge from madness.
     
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    it's because people eat em and have a "religious" type experience and think that's gonna just magically fix everything. psilocybin has it's spiritual properties i guess, but in the end it's just a chemical affecting your brain and causing the "visions" of whatever. sounds like he might have some sort of schizo-type thing going on as well, and that's not a good mix with shrooms from what i've read. bottom line is ain't shit gonna change because you eat a mushroom, it may give you some insight into your feelings but as bad as i hate to grab a quote from the bible i think it fits here, "faith without works is dead" meaning all the insight he could gather from the shroom is no good if he doesn't do anything to fix it in the real world. i'd distance myself from this guy, he sounds like a real loose cannon
     
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    he does this by himself

    a pretty much this

    you did it with the best intentions, you did nothing wrong except open his eyes

    making a friend feel bad for things that he has in his mind is plain selfish
    i hope things get better but you did nothing wrong , of course let him know how you feel
    i dont mean this is the case but ive had to let friend go cause there wanst much brotherly love or respect anymore
     
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    Thank you for the advice.
    I will tell everything to him, but after the exam and give back what was sent to me.
    The thing he can't cope with himself is because he wants to be who he was before and someone new, but those things don't go together anymore.
    And of course, there is a girl he's in love with but she's getting married(that can change in a matter of minutes). He had a clear vision of him in a love relationship with her but didn't have strength to pursue his vision and he got back to the girl he left because of the first one. Evidently they are too different to be together but he is keeping his eyes closed. I don't know why.
    The crucial thing is that I introduced him to the girl he actually loves.

    It happened once to me that I blamed myself for others mistakes and I'm not doing it again!
     
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    I spent one month just as he is, ignorance truely was bliss, in youth when i was unaware of how big an arsehole i was and how other people percieved me I was one big happy fucking idiot deluded into believing i was intelligent and ahead of my years because i was street smart, massive realisations during a 7 month love affair with ps.cyans, realisation upon realisation and level upon level of self awareness replacing years of ignorance . Like the Major said that is all you get it is still down the the perciever to act on this inspirition or ignore, then you got the problem of the fear of dealing with the perceived mountain of shit and personality disorders this person has built up due to their ignorance of self, once they know thyself and feel powerless to change or too lazy or feckless to even try the self hate builds and then they start lashing out at all the symbols that represent the awakening to them, as you put it A HATER lol

    I would make him take higher doses it worked for me, the more your faced with the true image of self the greater the burning desire to change becomes if you don't like what you see until the power of auto suggestion kicks in and the subconcious acts on the emotional desire for change and the ball rolls from there, well that has been my experiences. still working on being a better me

    i wrote this up a few years back if anyone is interested in details of a mad long term fungi relationship

    https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=88538
     
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  8. kdmmontana

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    Mushrooms can fuck people up too and I would say thats what happened here. He is obviously trying to prove himself in some sort of way. It also seems as he is developing schizoid traits and thats the foreshadow of schizophrenia in some cases. If he is in his early adult years, its ripe for the disease to set in. Also having megalomaniac thoughts, fixations and the like is a sign of the disease.

    However from your rant about this it seems as if you are the only one pissed, just because he isnt happy with what happened.

    -- now he even silently blames me for giving him what I have given him.

    Silently? Are you sure? Clarify please:)

    He told me how he disgusts crystals and mysticism and that I consider myself more worth than the others, in short ; he's a hater.

    Okay so dont speak to him. Dont give him more shrooms.

    The second option is a bit harder cause I'm really fed up with this hate stuff. I really love the world around me and I give myself to the world, and above all, I'm not responsible for other people's choices, I'm only here to give that choice.

    First of all that sentence doesnt make any sense.

    What second option?

    I'm not responsible for other people's choices, I'm only here to give that choice.


    So you mean that silently, youre washing your hands because he had an adverse reaction when in fact you did give him these mushrooms? But lets put it like this, if you hadnt given them to him he wouldnt have anything to bitch about so yeah one can say you did bring this upon yourself and now you are over reacting.

    IF you dont like him, dont talk to him. Dont spend lunch together, dont take walks..

    IF your that in tune with his feelings, that cant be good. I mean if he is such a messed up loser, why do you hang around him?
     
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    you said he bugs out around the moon cycles,well, people with schizophrenia usually go really nutty around the full moon for some reason. I would deff not give him m0ore shrooms
     
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    He's 24 years old and he isn't very much in touch with reality. He likes to "fly away" as he would say. I also like to fly away but I know where to come back, he doesn't.


    He doesn't want to tell it to me but it is obvious what he thinks. When he manages to speak, he can't tell it. It is always passive.

    .

    I really care about the guy cause he's one of my best friends. Now he doesn't want shrooms but in a few months, he'll want them bad. I'll try to take care of not asking me for them anymore today.


    To be silent and not to speak with him.

    I lived with a guy who was growing them with me and he went crazy cause he couldn't handle it and he blamed me for everything and I lived in that guilt for several years, but HE was Growing them with ME so his part was equal to mine, but when he get fucked the odds have changed. Now I'm very sensitive to this reactions cause I'm not guilty of others people choices. I simply do what I do and it is up to them what will they do next.


    The problem is he's a good guy, he doesn't take drugs of any kind(not even smoking) and I care about him, but I don't like being fucked for other people's failures. Not anymore. Everyone is responsible for himself. I also have failures but I don't blame anyone for it, the only one to blame is myself.
     
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    dude deff sounds a little schitzo to me man, be carefull when dealing with him.
     
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    :(:(:(

    What youre saying is practically the onset of early schizophrenia, or your friends is another wierdo who does crazy shit for the sake of crazy. Either way its bad. Its not personal so can the "send hate" idea, this dude has a shattered psyche.

    However on the psychadelics topic, they can fuck people up. Thats why theyre so feared among the uninvited. If you do shrooms, you choose to have a part of that reality broken apart. Now you may be his best friends, but you probably should have thought of this a bit more. I mean its not your fault that he is schizophrenic but you did place the shrooms in his hand. I think that you can at least do some crafty handiwork that can lead to a constructive solution. This is not personal, this is a psychosis and you just got part of it.

    For comparison. I know a schizo dude. This one time we rode the bus together and I sat next to him and told him that I wasnt feeling well today. His response? He belittled me and mocked me on the spot. We know this guy is fucked up so I didnt say anything, I am afrai dof this dude because you never know whats gonna enter his mind. Schizos arent always screaming in a corner. In fact, what I call Silent Schizophrenia (nobody notices, but those who make contact) is common. Its usually later the worst symptoms arise, tics, rigid movement, full on hallucinations etc.

    I think that you should inform people of his condition, especially parents and other people. Be honest, dont hide it.

    If he IS schizophrenic then he needs help quick, before the disease breaks out. The earlier the help, the more brain can be saved from the attacks (the psychosis is a signature event of the breakdown and buildup of special dopamine receptors in the brain, in an uneven manner) . This means, that schizophrenia is a degenerative condition that worsens over time.

    So assume the worst and be nice to him.

    I think that he doesnt control what he thinks or says full on. Confront him about this.

    And get help.
     
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    I spoke with him today, the full moon is over and he seems pretty normal.
    He told me he didn't send hate my way, that his feelings about a girl were mixed up and my advice fucked him up even more. That he's going through a tough period in his life and asked me to understand.
    Since I really do care about him I told him OK and that I don't want hating anymore. I'll stop talking with him about certain issues and hope for the best.

    @KD: What you described in your last post is the guy I started growing mushrooms with. It is so good description of him that I shuddered while I was reading it. He was even involved in ritualistic black magic and I thought that I fucked him up for nearly 3 years but now I understand what has really happened. It took some time for me to understand it. I thought that I let him down, destroyed his life and he gladly accepted it. He is a big douche making victim of himself, never taking responsibility for his actions. I don't communicate with him anymore and I wish him the best, but away from me. I finally realized that he's the one who was responsible all the time and I won't bear the burden for his black magic shit.

    This guy is not the case like that. As far as I can see, when the full moon is over, even in his madness one part of him tries to be aware that he is responsible, but when the pussy kicks in, things cnage if you knwo what I mean ;)

    About cutting mushrooms from him : it is the only logical course :super:
     
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    Although the discovery of the expanded states of awareness the mushroom can open up may lead one to desire sharing this with others, one must be mindful of their character to assure that 1. They have the capacity to receive the gift with genuine gratitude, and 2. are capable of honoring the trust you have bestowed upon them in taking the risk to place your safety and, indeed, your very freedom in their hands. If they show that they are not capable of receiving this gift with some measure of grace, then it is best to let them gently go and learn from your mistake. With his rather confused friend of yours, it may be best to say you've gone beyond mushrooms and have taken up meditation. Let time go by and don't discuss the mushroom with him any more.

    Bear in mind that the reason you know about the existence of the mushoom is that the Mazatecan people were wise enough to maintain strict secrecy around it for over 5 centuries. Personally, I feel that we should follow their example as the powers that be still will persecute mercilessly those that attract the wrong kind of attention to themselves. I have been working with the mushroom for 36 years and I can count on one hand those who personally know about this interest of mine. Some have gotten close whom I learned later should not have, but I have been very lucky and watched over by los santos niños. Send your friend on his way, wish him well, and become more circumspect with regard to whom you are willing to trust your life to.
     
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    Thank you elfstone for your rational answer. I did exactly what you said and for now it is going as planned. Now he also thinks about meditation. Not bad at all ;)
     
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    my answer was also rational, mental illness does exist.
    There is a difference between adverse mental health issues
    (such as irrational thought patterns and mood swings) and spiritual
    awakening. Just be mindful of the difference.

    I dont mean to start some shit or fight with either of you
    but the fact remains that its better to be careful,
    if he goes full blown it can end really bad and no one
    knows wen or how that happens.

    So i respect your opinion elfstone. I just think its
    better to be safe than sorry.

    I just hope he isnt sick.
     
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    ...........

    i just simply wont work with peeps,
    who arent experienced , in a provable way, over time.
     
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    ? what?
     
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    clarity

    ^ i wont feed peeps anything, unless they have been eating it for a while already.
     
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    aha..:p okay..

    Yes that makes sense.