Discussion in 'ADVANCED MYCOLOGY' started by TheBoomtownExpress, Oct 1, 2011.
What do you mean by special tools?
gas chromatograph(sp?) probably, or whatever it is you need to determine how much actives are in the mush. compare mushies on white rice to ones grown on brown rice. although the story goes white rice makes inactive mushrooms so all you would really need to test that is someone willing to eat both groups, but really i think they would only have to eat the ones on white rice
i'd like to see research done on pasteurized vs. sterilized manure. i've been using sterilized poo for two years now and never looked back. before sterilizing i would lose three out of four projects to contams, after sterilizing maybe one of four went bad if at all. IME sterilized poo yields just as much as pasteurized with all the helpful microbes dead as tupac. ultimately i've come to think of it as why enter the mushroom in a race against contams? why not fix the race by killing all the competitors? works for me any ideas on how to test it?
Bioassay is just the start.
Assuming you could get a decent test, that just leaves the next question- what's missing from white rice that brown rice has?
Because that's a hint toward a useful additive.
Re: sterilized vs pasteurized, I imagine you've read the arguments for it on another site.
But protection against contams afforded by pasteurization is only necessary if you have a contam problem, which you seem not to have.
Doc: What do you think about fungacides. I am staying organic but, for the sake of argument, many fungacides let live mycelia colonize while not allowing fungal spores to germinate. This would mean that the only contamination would come from the innoculant itselt as you said but, enriching the substrate would not be anymore or less prone to contams with a fungacide. At least that is my thought. What do you think though?
Also, do you mean doing PF Cakes with oysters or other actives that contain different alks? I can see myself running tests on BRF cakes with lions mane and various oysters. If nutes are neither living nor dead, what does it matter if the white rice has been bleached? Maybe I am misunderstanding something but, I thought that the rationale for saying white rice was not suitable was that it was bleached and that made it void of nutes. This doesn't make sense to me though.
Major: Sterile Vs. Past. would be an interesting one because I have done both as well and found that with proper FAE none of them contam anymore than the other.
I don't see a need for it, but at least it's plausible.
Can't imagine what kind of chem would inhibit spore germination without causing trouble for the mycelium, but maybe there is one.
Wouldn't be a fungicide though. Can't call it a fungicide if it allows fungus to flourish.
Both of those. all possible species.
it's called mertect 340-F made by syngenta. http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld269025.pdf
it prevents the spores from germinating, you can get it in Promycel Titanium here
the main chemical is thiabendazole, and it says it can be added to grains and substrate
Thanks for the links.
No way I'd use something like that but I can see how somebody might.
i second that Doc, anything that has to have a detailed MSDS i would be sketchy about adding it to what would become someones food, i like the all organic nature of mushroom growing you don't need a single chemical to produce them. i used to know a guy who worked for Amycel and he tipped me off to what it was when the titanium first came out. the promycel gold has, or used to have, formaldehyde in it which sounds nasty to me
You can always dip your cigarettes in it and smoke it at a rave,
i heard that mane! i'm fixin' to spark up a FAT bowl of some pcp anybody else like to get wet? lol
hahaha you guys are too much! Yeah, I have no need for fungacides in my food, I was just posing an argument. I agree that organic is the way to go. Banrot WP40 is another options. I have a whole list of fungacides from a chemical rep that gave me all the msds info on all of them incase I wanted to order any but, I have yet to do so. I have used BR WP40 before and noticed that yes, it works on grains however, in a fruiting sub they would not fruit. One mushroom out of 60 growbags fruited. This clearly is a horrible ratio hahaha
As for the white rice, I know what the story is but, is it true?
I would be down with fruiting many many species on PF cakes to see the yeild. We would have to figure out how to compare BE for PF cakes vs compost or sawdust becuase BRF is by far the most BE nutrient out there. At least to my knowledge. Fill me in if I'm missing anything so I can taylor my thoughts.
There's a lot of people here who like to get "wet." I never messed w/ the stuff though.
Never tried that either, here it's intense though...
Another example that demonstrates this is the fact that we use verm barriers on PF jars... b/c of the lack of nutes diminishing the probability of contracting VD!!!
Yup; right before plunging in, I pack that vag full of fine vermiculite. Lube up and stick him in... More Eco-friendly than condoms!
Does anybody have experience with Styrafoam? Wondering if maybe enriching it with nutes will allow mycelia to break it down maybe? Could be a wild goose chase but worth a thought.
Polystyrene is what plastic is made out of.
Styrofoam is made out of foamed polystyrene.
Phanerochaete chrysosporium breaks down polystyrene so yea you could use a fungus to recycle it.
Paul Stamets would be the guy to try and contact if you are interested,
Here's a quote and a couple links to start your adventure
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