Discussion in 'Cannabis Grow Logs' started by Michael Townshend, Feb 5, 2017.
9 to go and 6 hell breath.
Looking Great Mike!
Thanks! I'll keep updating the progress weekly, hopefully get some good night shots. There's some choice phenos that are gonna be very nice as keepers, but I have clones of them all, what a relief. Just waiting for a male.
Some of the stretchier of the missing link looks like it may have the best output as well, they are really packing it on.
I see that you have 3 gorillas listed (assuming that's your cubed version), so that project is done huh? From now on it will be 3 gorillas that will be closest to this?
One of the questions that I have been curious about is that this is roughly 70% indica with such a flowertime, is it the OGKB that extends the flower time? I don't mind, I like to let em go as long as possible (usually a week to 10 days), don't think I have any other strains with so much indica that takes more than 9, but I may be mistaken. Guess sometimes that ratio doesn't mean anything when it comes to flower time, lol.
That would explain this one early maturing pheno as an expression of a recessive gene. Would you pick an early one or stick with a better quality 10 week peno? So many other factors that flower time seems to be a small one to consider at this point. I did get rid of that plants clones, don't want speed, looking for quality and I can tell that its not as good as the others...
Prolly laughing at me holding on those mutants and getting rid of this one, lol.
Great job, really appreciate the grow journal. These two strains are on my to get list.
Thank stephan There's one ML that looks to be close, a week maybe (right at week 10, 1 day). Harvesting includes a 48-72hr dark cycle and light trim and hang for 5 days. a week. Seemed to work fine on the last ML pulled. Once that's ready, a lot of the others will follow within a 2 week period, perfect number to manage the harvesting/trimming/drying process without overwhelming. Right after that the Hell Breath should finish and within a month all but the 3 slow growing phenos will be left to evaluate, but looking for a male from them anyway, so other than the pollen they will not be part of the final selection, just 1 of many phenos that came up from this pack.. So hopefully there is some more stuff to document soon.
Furnace went up a few days ago, had to get a new one and re-arrange my gear so they could access the areas needed to do the work, haven't been able to get in there for a few days for anything other than watering. They completed the new furnace/hot water heater install, added another 250Sf to the floor area by having the new furnace and water heater mounted to the wall and the old equipment removed (not to mention the elimination of any need for any work in that area for years. thankfully we have a great company that did the work the next morning in about 16 hours). So expect to see pics of everything out as everything is rearranged to the new space . Have some pics I took just before the furnace went up that I need to review and submit here, sorry for the delay. hopefully that can be done tonight or tomorrow with another weekly update right along with it. That will catch me up with the pics in this log. I expect the majority of those flowering to be done by then as well.
Been working on the 3 mutants in veg since day one. After a couple rounds of pruning and cleaning recently they really picked up (also put them under an HID) with 3-4 main branches/colas. Hoping to get one male out of those, those are all that are all left to show sex now, so they will never be flowered again and surely will not make the cut, so I want them all to be fully trimmed and busy for the flower. A new pot, give them all a good shot at this one time. As long as there are clones of each, they can wait til there is some ML pollen.
a ton of pollen from the one HB male tho. I think enough I am gonna get rid of it today.
Anyone have any suggestions on what I should do with the pollen collected to date? Currently it is in a 10mL plastic tube, in a tray, with cap. Pulled out all the green possible and leaving it slightly open with a couple beads of silica, the dying agent usually in packs of some stuff... Should help dry it out, but not to much, they change color so can be watched to see how wet or dry the sample is.
Assume that the green matter is the biggest issue, right? Should just keep the vials far from the females ajar and let air out, how long?
How long will it be viable?
Should I store in a freezer?
Assuming a fridge would be too wet...
Surely I have conflicting answers from throughout the net, just interested what input I can get here, always been reliable and to the point.
Clones / machine are really pumping roots out (Missing link seems to show first roots now in 5 days, with a few at 4, have been getting 100% success with all cutting for the past month now. The addition of the chloramine to the reservoir (every few days) is all that was needed (as well as some control over the water temp. I've got a half dozen clones rooted in pots and in veg.
The next part of this grow log should show a huge improvement, worked out some kinks never experienced before after popping so many at once with this setup. Will use this log to try to get to the final selections made and pics / descriptions of each, eventually to make selections, then a vote in the thread to find the best ones to keep, see how that works for this grow/thread.
Ultimately this will show the start of one pack of Missing Link and Half a pack of the Hell Breath to the final pheno selections.
Hopefully with some support from any of you watching with recommendations before I trash those that don't make the cut at least from a fertility/structural perspective, have learned a lot from posts here and am looking forward to more of that.
So far 3 of 10 (the slow grow phenos) are all that's left, They should be ready to flower in a week, one more trim. No males yet, just one Hell Breath, but I have that saved now so I can use that later.
Hopefully one of the 3 left will be male so seeds can be obtained for everything, but I am sure that if I can get my hands on the 3 gorillas, I will apple all the lessons learned here, but seeing this to the end is of importance.
Man I c u r handling the multitude of variables that r involved when growing multiple strains all at once pretty well. Iit's good idea to grow those mutants sometime u can end up with a super healer even if it doesn't quite grow to ur liking. If it's potent u can cross it w ur male pollen introducing unmutated genes will better the ratio in the offspring, although they will come bk up in 2 out of every ten offspring. So I think growing out undesirable's can lead to something better. When it comes to the pollen that's your gold right there. I like the store mine in the black film canisters I'll place the canisters inside of a masonary jar and place them in deep freezer. Pollen can be stored this way for years. I never had a problem with the green matter I even sometimes plays whole pods inside for storage hoping to get as much pollen as possible. Pollen is viable up to a week so get it stored before then and it will last year's. I like to dilute mine w a pinch of flour as well.
Yea, everyone wanted me to toss those mutants, but didn't because wanted to mainly wait for pollen and it's only recently been a fact that those are gonna be where my pollen comes from so it's good. Was also interested in seeing what the effect of adding the slow growing male to the faster best acting female, thought it might help with the stretch and remove some of the slow growing tendency if selected properly. Probably be the first time a lot of the pollen is used at once, but I am nowhere near as experienced as those who gave the info, so I'm cautiously optimistic, let's say. Turns out that a good pruning over a couple sessions to prevent anymore stunting, was the key. Some branches because dominant and I cut the rest, allowing only 3-4 tops and some sides. 2 of the 3 are growing what looks to be an inch a day it seems to really have picked up, noticeable even at the top of the soil, it looks a lot better, more activity I assume. The tips have filled with G3 and are bright green, always a good sign, especially when you hadn't seen that in the past year. lol.
Great info, thanks Stephen. Looks like I have one day, tomorrow to get to that week, but the first day's of collection were slow as opposed to the last 3 which gave most of what I have. That's all that could be needed, gonna isolate a couple buds that are at a good point in flower and freeze the rest waiting for the next pollination, maybe put it into 2 or 3 containers inside the mason jar to prevent contamination once it's opened... It's a lot, will take pics b4 it's put away. The HB really has been pumping it out these past few daze and knowing I can keep those pods that fell into the container knowing they we're close to opening is great news, hopefully that will keep it even more viable when frozen, lol.
Thanks for the info!
ML#2 Finished the other day, these were taken after a 3 day dark period as it was cleaned for drying:
Some pics of the Trich Zone:
And Some macro shots:
Thats some fire for sure.. well done
LoOKs like u got a real nice pheno there.
did your phenos go 10 weeks? i like a little amber in the trichs. im trying to figure out when to flush week 7-8
The ML seems to take 10-11 weeks (from seed), there was a shorter one and some longer, but they aren't quick finishers, worth it though. Clones may take less time, but most likely not a lot, I had an 8 week pheno (could have been something I did early one, not sure, it was vigorous it's whole life), but it didn't have the potency or taste that the later ones have. I let them go til they aren't making anymore white hairs, I found that waiting for them to turn amber was too long, I am looking for something that I can use during the day, the ML works well for that, so I try to avoid a lot of amber, but do have some coming that are developing more amber trichs than normal, so we will see.
The HB should take a couple more weeks that the ML, again well worth it. If it jams you up, grow a HB with one cola 12-18" and flower, it should stretch and make for some great head stash, while taking very little space, aside the monster leaves water leaves...
If you are planning to flush it before week 10, I would assume that you would loose yeild, but growing organic and not having to flush nearly as long, that's the time it puts on the most weight, at week 11 even none of the fan leaves have started to turn green. typically you would flush it when it's done and the leaves are starting to turn yellow or fall off. That will build the most trichs and get the amber ones you want. The only way to get a significant amount of amber is to let it go, short of some chemical. I would start to flush when you start to see amber trichs, not a day sooner. You can flush a week or so and pull it letting it sit in the dark for an extended period that will move the nutes to the root zone physically, not chemically using a flush. Worse case just feed it water the last weeks and when you see amber, start flooding the pot. By the time a water flush is done most should be to your liking, but I haven't tried for amber, so I am not sure how fast it changes from white. Seems to be they were white a long time, only clear for a short while. You will find phenos that work better than others for this I am sure. I'll try to let some pheno's stay on the vine and see how long it takes for the trichs in the zone to start to amber.
For the past month I've been using the ML as my primary medication, it works better than anything else I've ever made, very happy with it. Now the HB is coming in and testing seems to give it an even better effect and taste than the ML, different though, genetically, so they will both serve a purpose and are distinct varieties. Check out the lineage if you haven't, cookies vs chem (GG#4) females... I am thoroughly enjoying the lambsbreath during exhale, very smooth. The above ML has a more prominent lambsbread taste than the others it seems, there seems to be a different taste profile for everything, but will know later more about that when I have them to compare better. Not only the best grown personally, but smoked as well, top notch genetics and some great phenos to watch out for. The HB seems to have less phenotypes, but the standard pheno grows tall and fast, only the flower time is rather long, but well worth the wait. I'll keep at least one of each of these going at all times.
Usually you will get some amber during the weeks of drying and curing, I will take a look at some of the older ML and see if they have developed more amber, but like I said, I try to keep them milky if possible anticipating some development during the dark, dry and cure phases.
ML#1 is done, this was the fastest growing one. I cut the top off of it, put in rockwool and tried to sex it in the flower tent, but no luck, it died. So this one was a bit of a candelabra when done. A number of nice tops here.
This was in a 1gal pot, and was on top of a paint can to get closer to light, so it didn't have the yield to be expected, but the clones should do that if it turns out to be a keeper.
There is more purple in this pheno that the others, not all the colas, but a few have some beautiful colors. The flash I have doesn't do them justice. It's a good canon, just the built in flash. I'm going to try to light the shot with incandescent and see if that helps or if just sunlight is all it needs to capture the colors better.
Looks like some nice medicine ...Thanks for the info on the trichs
thx for your reply.i dont do a true flush. i just water and not feed the final 2 weeks. it looks like mine may only go 9 weeks its already pulling in hairs. im at 6 1/2 now. im going to start just water at week 8. ill cut something at week 8 and take a peak at the trichs.
patience my friend, this is not meant to be couch lock effect, it seems to be a daytime smoke, even those that went 12 weeks were not overly sedative. To have a strain go 10 weeks without knocking you out is a feat in it's self, been trying to embrace that. There are so many other strains that will sedate. this is a treat as well as the hell breath.
I always wondered why the long flower period, but there's a good deal of sativas in there, that's gonna make for a daytime hi.
GG takes a while to flower, just finished a King Kong that took 12 weeks, said 8-11, but the yield was outrageous, patience is the key to most of what we do.
This is the best representation of any chems I have tried and it's amazing the variation in taste and structure, those chems are not just a single cross they were bred and cultivated for a long time it seems (Just got tossed out of frustration due to the hermies I assume, none here btw), the nuances in the tastes that come out are rather addictive, I've been hoarding all of it for myself, lol
I am sure that the prof or others here could give more info on this, the chems came around as I was raising my kids and missed the whole phenomena, lol
LOL, nothing is sacred anymore, not even when you name a strain.
Stephen, yea, I have been holding onto those mutants to flower at sometime soon. They are ready, odd thing is that while I make my soil in 60g bins and let bake for 6 months with all nutes and amendments. Only those 2 ML mutants have what looks like a serious deficiency in Cal I would think, but could be mag, Zinc, I'll put some pics of them up. Out of some 50 pots growing in the same media, these have had a deficiency since early on despite copious amounts of the best, most bioavailable cal/mag available. Will transplant into some soild I have been working on with a lot of trace minerals...
I did recently read that a lot of times mutant phenos can be more potent that other phenos, I think that may be due to the age of the plant at flower tho, not sure, but will see when they are flowered soon. There is a Dark Star Kush that I have been trying to keep one every 4-6 months due to really slow growth, this one vegetated for about 6 months, but is rather tall, 36", for my set-up, probably has over 100 tops. I really like that strain for head stash (TH Seeds Mazar-I-Sharif dominant with a lot of purple) as it does take awhile to flower. However, it's been my main medicine til the HB, but I want to keep some before I retire it (Very potent, great smell and bag appeal, just takes 11-12 weeks) as does the Hell Breath, the pheno's below will, in all likelihood, be the best of the 6 flowered, at least in the yield department, I would think that the yield, (compared to past pheno's, this one will be a bit over 2 zips, closer to 3 I hope. Definately need to let these go 12 weeks, the last 2 weeks resulted in a lot of weight and density as well as more pungent terpene profile. I expect to top future clones and prume a bit longer, so yeild will be more evident on next grow, I'm looking for the medicinal effects of the various pheno's, but I want one with a good yield considering the 12 weeks this one took from seed.
Having a lot of strains was tough to keep track of and I still make mistakes, but the method I worked out to keep track of them visually has really helped track the plants stage of growth. Eventually it will be down to probably 4 strains, but til I have tested as many as possible there will still be a number of strains, currently there are a few each of a dozen in the works ATM, all are staggered by 2 weeks or 4 weeks based on the calendar. Lots of strains coming as well as those that are currently in the works, lol. Some I am really looking forward to:
FPOG X Cherry Aliendog, Cupcake 2.0, Jaffa Cake x Buckeye Purple, Gunsmoke, Pure Ghost OG, Raspberry Kush, Bruce Banner #2, Blue Flame, Mendo Breath x Kirkwood OG, Dosi Pie, Kool Aid Smile, Grape Drink x Cookies, Lambdo, Joystick, Buddha Tahoe, Purple Crack... and more, can't remember, but those I am really looking forward to. I picked them based on similarities that will make them easier to grow together. Most are 6-9 week strains, some 10-12 week ones, no clue what the Obsoul33t genetics take. I have a bunch of his new strains, but I wanted to try to see how the FPOG did first. Haven't even started to get into the exotic strains, I've got the last couple years of releases from them, so that will be a big project that will have a lot of strains with the same or similar flower times.... Had to see what the $6500 clone of Stardog Greenpoint bought looks like, so I popped a few of the gunsmoke (I believe it's Starfighter x the Stardawg Clone) Don;t think he has a female of the stardog, just the male was bred to his stable of mothers, managed to get a lot of the last few collections as well as the current one, red headed stranger that seemed to be unique to the library. Tried as hard as I could to get their flookies, but never got them instock now they are gone, hopefully they turn up later, patience I guess heard it was really good...
The concentrate recently made from the Missing Link trim and bud was out of this world, you can really taste every note with a well made concentrate.
HB#6 is done, have some pics of them after the 48 hour (closer to 72) dark cycle. There are a number of plants ready, will post them as they are processed.
Here's the HB#6, This and the next 2 HB were the largest yielding phenos, will see how similar they are after they have dried and cured, tasted. There's a ton of jars of past samples I need to take a closer look at b4 I settle on one or 2 of the HB, Same with the ML, but there will be 9-10 of them (Only one male).
Again I will post the others as they are processed and finish their dark cycle
I noticed that at the start of this grow, I was using the silica that I had leftover from when I was trying the overhyped AN feeding schedule. A few weeks into this grow I changed the source of the silica so it comes from the company I get my tea gear from as well as some ingredients. Seems to have made a huge difference in the sturdiness of the stalk and not one was hollow. The above HB was rather tall and the stem at the top was thick, but solid. Got me thinking how important silica is in the growth and successful grow of any plant. Usually, if silica is not used and genetically disposed, which most strains are considering how far we prune up the stalk to get to the canopy and avoid larf. Since I started using this new silica I noticed that I no longer needed any of the yoyo's that I had mounted on the ceiling. Seems that the silica strengthened the stems so much that I would bet that these HB could yield at least 4x as much and still hold it up without staking. So I thought I would give a rundown of the feeding procedure/schedule that I have developed to in the time that it has taken to do this log, seems like a year since I first sprouted the seeds, can't be that long, but close. Anyway, this is my take on what I have learned from this grow and applied to my program and the reasoning. Here's a pic of the top cola, no hole, that's what we want, but the plant will want to grow the stem hollow, so I found that you need to provide ample silica to get the stem solid so that it can transport nutes best and hold even the heaviest buds. Age has a lot to do with this, but the silica will speed the process up, allowing younger clones to grow solid stems as long as you keep giving it silica at every watering.
The crack in the middle is from cutting with dull scissors. Dulled cutting the other stems, lol. No, the crack was from cutting the top off.
None of the HB have needed support, but 2 Missing Link have, those were the 2 I topped, so the Missing Link seems to do best as one cola, but can be topped, with supports. Goes to show that some of the stuff that is most likely left out to cut down costs really has an impact on the growth. Seems that there are a lot of supplements that the plant thrives on that are usually left out to cut costs. I think I have them down to a minimum with the tea brews that I make. The ingredients for tea are cheap per batch and I believe I have all the supplements needed and have cut out those that are redundant or useless. Soon I'll write some of them down and post them along with the soil mix I make. Over the past year I have been running a worm farm and about 3 months ago I stopped buying it and get more than I need from the worm bins now, that saves a ton of money and doesn't cut any corners, in fact, I think the castings I am making are better that the dry store bought ones. That means there are worms in the soil (larvae end up in the pot) that live the entire cycle and are recycled with the potting soil as compost. They just find a cool spot to hang out in the compost bin. Lots of kitchen and media recycling, not much is spent on nutes, and if it is, it's usually enough for 6 months. More is spent on amendments that increase the rate the plants take up available nutes, which is where the FPE nutes prepared comes in handy, a tsp per gallon is plenty for the extra nute demand and they are readily absorbed as the spent soil has very little NPK content, which avoids toxic buildup so far. Do your self a favor and google Cannabis FPE, you should find all the info you need to make your own nutes if you want to continue with soilless media or add nutes to your plants,
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