Missing Link and Hell Breath Log

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Do you prefer orgaically grown or hydro grown for personal use?

  1. Organic

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  1. Michael Townshend

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    Part 2 ---->

    Getting away from the bottles was the best thing for my medicine, , security (all leaves goto the worms, lol), overall health and the environment, etc... Everyone who is growing out of dirt or on the fence should give the "True Living Organics" (TLO) method a read and a shot, to try organic growing, or start flowering using the TLO method, just do a transplant a week before flowering and a flush so that the bene's can thrive, oh, no chlorine in the water either, those are the main rules. If you read the book, understand it, there are not many people who would continue using just bottled nutes, basically because if you pull a finished plant out of the pot and look at the roots, you will notice a pattern, the root ball size and health always determines the plant's final yield. Using the TLO method, you will have numerous amendments, micros, bene's, etc... all working to provide the best environment for the root zone or Rhizosphere as you will come to know it. This method not only yields the best tasting herb, but the healthiest, they are able to fend off insects better, mold, high and low temps, etc... above ground and below, guarding your roots from all sorts of invaders and at the same time it is helping to expand the plants reach by giving the roots the best environment to thrive, resulting in a much better result above ground. For anyone who wants to improve their gardening skills and understand what the plant is doing at any given stage of it's life is very liberating, it allows you to not just reach for that bottle of chemicals, but think which remedy can I use that will also benefit the plant based on the stage of growth it's in. Once you have that knowledge, there are not many strains that you can't grow from seed to harvest and get about as much as you can out of the genetics you started with, after all, that's the main indicator of success, the genetics, but that's been covered and seems to change weekly.

    There is no doubt that the above plants would never look like that if I had followed a manufacturer's directions off a chart and 20 bottles, it just doesn't taste the same and the yield is lower (despite claims on the label) Fits the current grow style as well with numerous strains at different stages. Very easy to tailor the tea you add to them. The Bene's in the tea activate the nutrients in the soil, the more PPM I give them the more nutes (with PK boosters and bud enhancers at the start and PK boost at the end of flowering). The biggest improvement of organically grown herb over the chemicals is the taste and the fact that you don't need to flush them during their most productive part of the cycle. I use a fermented nutrient mix in a seaweed emulsion I made, it's a great way to make your own nutes for veg, bloom and micos. At almost no cost since you already should have the materials, it's a lot better than all those bottles. While you can't mix them all into one for practical reasons, you can cut them down to just a few bottles added every few waterings with the tea/water mix, not a dozen or more. This seems to work best with smaller pots that may not hold enough nutes for the entire grow cycle. The above HB#6 was grown in a 2 gallon pot. Some ML were grown in 1 gallon pots, tho small required water daily, won't be using them anymore. Seems 3 gallons is a good size for the fabric pots for 10+ Week flowering, 2g pots work for 9 weeks or less in flower. Depends how many plants you have under the light and it's size really. Could have grown 4 plants under the same 1K watt light in 20g pots and received the same yield, I prefer the variety and just make sure they are clean of larf at the bottoms. There are so many ways to skin a cat, if you aren't completely happy with the results from your current hydro or soil less gardening, why not give TLO a shot? The yield boosters in organics actually boost the yield visibly and all the other nutes/amendments work as they are supposed to because you have full control over the quality and amount used per batch, which can be different than the manufacturer to keep costs down, no strict labeling requirements, so they take full advantage of that. That's why we see such outrageous claims printed on the bottles in the grow store or online, they have no need to back them up, it is what it is.

    With the HB, they were flowered early due to the stretch and not much was done to them, only the bottom 2 or 3 branches were pulled to take clones. Not one of them has needed support and could hold many times the weight that these produced, Hell Breath is very sturdy (all phenos). I did stake them up when I transplanted to avoid any breakage, but they were only needed as a precaution and removed in a few days.
     
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  2. dazed1

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    topped the missing link twice. it did need support but it yielded very nicely. 3+ oz on a 3 ft. plant. multiple colas over 7 grams.all the side branches grew to the top of the canopy. i thought i responded very well to topping. most gg#4 i have seen do not have the thickest branches. i think this is common to the strain. found a male with a thicker stem and side branching then the female i have. popped another seed recently. patiently waiting for her/him to grow. keeping the male by the way. doig a little seed run july/aug. peanut butter breath,missing link, and either dosidos 22 or 23 daddies. fla. gold, buhda tahoe, afgooey,pbb,grandpas breath,dosidos 22/23 face on fire and missing link females. forgot the sour banana sherbert.
     
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    even after the edit i fucked up typing. gooey's got me twisted
     
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    I was thinking about picking up thug pugs PBJ to run some Dosidos.. How are they ? Worth the money ?
     
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    got my first peanut butter breath in flower its about 3 weeks in and its already frosting up. i got a male that looks like ogkb that i will be using for pollen. just popped 4 dosidos #22 and 1 #23. it will be 4-6 weeks before they go into flower. probably be my last run before i pollinate shit. went halfs on the dosi with a friend. ill be posting pics once they get flipped. i wanted to do the whole pack of 22s but didnt have room. got a 3 pack of #23 freebies. again only had room to pop 1
     
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    A lot of the pheno's did have the structure even when small to support multiple cola's, then there were pheno's that tended to have more branching and would almost always self top at some point early on. However, I tend to top them as well, it only makes sense. Funny, just finished a King Kong (GG4xWWxSkunk) and topped it a number of times, got 6 xips out of it, tho it was in a large pot and went 11 weeks (breeder pack says 8-11, lol), but it tasted pretty good, not anything like the missing link though. You will get one of the thick stemmed phenos if your pulling from a pack, seem to be 50/50 or so. They will even look a lot like males, putting out very few branches leaving the clone options slim. Some of them may be better off cloning a mature plant, but that would set you back quite a bit. I'd see what you get, one clone is all you need and the seed can be flowered... Gotta take the clones and make sure you keep at least one of each female, toss out the male clones so they never get mixed in. Collect the pollen from the males you get. I got a very low count of males, let me know how you do, I think that there's only 3 left and no males, the 3 left are the slowest growing phenos, which you should put aside and start over if you get one, which you will notice in a few weeks. That's the 3 phenos of Missing link I saw aside some oddities that most likely were different due to external issues.

    I was about to get a thug pug pack a few months ago, you guys seem to be all for the PB, is that their best strain? I know that they released some a couple months ago... Must be goo genetics, they are almost always sold out, lol
     
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    meat breath is according to the guy that owns thug pug. i guess hes going to have a limited release soon. got a couple mendobreath f3s going. thug pug used that in most of his original strains (f2). hes dropping a bunch of new shit. gromer1 on instagram. im grabbing the ogkb x hellbreath getting released by mycotek in the future.professor has got the ogkb2.0 bx coming out first,
     
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    ogkb x hell breath, mycotek's HB? Nice, that would seem to make it lean towards the ogkb more, I need to try some pure ogkb, all of what I have is a hybrid. Be interesting to know what that does to the flower time, the hell breath says 10+ weeks, the best phenos went 12 and a few days... the earlier ones were good too, but not as pungent. Same with the missing link, the longer flowering phenos are way better than the one harvested a couple weeks ago or a few in the case of the missing link. Both have a mix of clear, milky, milky with the amber filament and amber trichs, the whole spectrum. it hasn't cured yet, but that is what most daytime herb tends to look like at such a late stage (late for a daytime weed), I am sure a lot will move to be mostly milky by the time it's dry and cured, but the Hell Breath just harvested was pulled based on it's appearance alone, the loupe was no help, I'm sure it would have gone a couple more weeks to get them all milky and amber, but I prefer the daytime hi. Good luck, I'll look for your reports dazed.

    The Mendo breath you mention might be close to the strain in the Uprising beans I have coming up, it just says mendobreath (F2) x kirkwood OG, which I assumed was one of the Fla OG's but I didn't care the pack was purchased based on a recommendation for the mendobreath, so it looks like we will both be pushing up some mendobreath at the same time, just different fathers, lol. Be cool to compare pics in a bit.

    ...I remember now, I researched thug pug a while back, their meatbreath is their holy grail, right? it's used in most hybrids as the male, if I recall, looked to be great, at the time it was a toss up of the thug pug or uprising mendo breath, next time I will grad some thug pug, they do look like they have a really good rep everywhere and the hybrids I have seen are just up my ally.
     
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    i have 2 mendobreath f3s going into flower next friday. also have 2 benevolence from gage green. 1 is slow growing but the other is on the same pace as the mendobreath. got to wait for room in my flowering area. the larger of the 2 will be going in about a week after the mendobreath.only got half packs of the gage green gear.250 a pack. check out dungeon vault seeds. they have a bunch ogkb x's. got 3 seedlings of the grandpa breath f2. the meatbreath is mendobreath f2 x the meat strain whatever that is.
     
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    cult classic seeds tony clifton is an ogkb bx but its hard to find the seeds
     
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    Thanks, I'll keep an eye out, they are tough to get, I am gonna try to get the in house version I think it's 2.0
     
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    stuff looks great by the way. sorry about the repost earlier. not trying to hijack your log
     
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    Here's the images from the last 6 plants (there are 2 more in flower and 2 in veg). Here are 3 Hell Breath and 2 Missing Link, these were the best, the Hell Breath was pulled at 12.5 weeks and Missing link 11 weeks.

    Man these are the best, I have made my selections of the keepers based on this harvest. Enjoy, very tasty, the hell breath has a nice lambsbreath in some phenos that I have been retaining the best growing ones, 3 will get another round...

    Think these 4 added up to 6oz in 1-2g pots and not as tall as they will be next run.

    HB #7
    HB #7 -Trimmed wet -1x.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -1xa.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -4.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -1a.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -3.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -2.jpg HB #7 -Trimmed wet -1.jpg HB #7 Macro -5.jpg HB #7 Macro -1.jpg HB #7 Macro -4.jpg HB #7 Macro -2.jpg HB #7 Macro -3.jpg

    HB #6
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    ML #2

    ML #2.3 Wet Trimmed -1.jpg ML #2.3 Wet Trimmed -2.jpg ML #2.3 Wet Trimmed -4.jpg ML #2.3 Wet Trimmed -3.jpg ML #2.3 Macro -4.jpg ML #2.3 Macro -3.jpg ML #2.3 Macro -2.jpg ML #2.3 Macro -1.jpg

    ML #1

    ML#1 Wet -7b.jpg ML#1 Wet -7a.jpg ML#1 Wet -7.JPG ML#1 Wet -6.JPG ML#1 Wet -6a.jpg ML#1 Wet -7c.jpg ML#1 Wet -2.JPG ML#1 Wet -1.JPG no macros from this one.

    I will be rerunning all 4 of these and a couple others from past harvests to get it down to one of each. The HB has an amazing taste/profile, very professional.

    Thanks Myckotek!

    FYI, the images below weren't pasted for one reason or anther, some may be duplicates... feel free to take a look...
     

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    The HB #7 and ML #1 were the best tasting and about equal in yeild, I may just stick with those 2 and the other 2 from past harvests. The wax from the trm is incredible, didn't do a lot other than a short purge at room temp, letting it finish open air for 3 daze, shatter, will have to get turned to honeycomb if I notice it breaking down (shatter isn't very stable and doesn't keep well, starts to get oily)
     
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    Nice runs what you got popping now
     
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    Nothing but drama. We had a fire in May, gonna be living in a rental house (at least it’s rural on a couple acres /against woods. Should be a nice view in the AM for deer.

    Been messing with a lot my friend. The melvanetics 420 pack is all the bomb, DVG grand sla,, farmhouse grape cookies (purpled more than I’ve ever seen), cupcake 2, blue dot x orange Tahoe, astronaut, lost sailor. 30-60 daze from a run of some fem seeds I had when we moved, did a test run to check viability as it’s got 72 strains. Something about the freezer bothers me. I put them in a 5ml vial with descixent beads and beans, then put cotton and silkcon to seal below the cap. Kind of over Kill, but I’m a belt and suspended kind of guy....

    Strawberry cream, double alien 18, marries collie (sense still has some nice genetics), king Lois, kraken (an auto, looks good), then some cannaventute fems; lv triangle kush, Tennessee kush 2, raspberry kush, ghost OG and sour papaya from oni, .lost sailor, Sundance kid....gelato, cowboy kush, red head stranger, pig whistle.... another mix with some past staples, mostly mykotek, he’ll breath and ml still, their genetics are always top notch.

    SOG has been serving my medical needs perfect. For now I moved to the 17 bottle NOG regime along with the standard organic aact, soil, castings and some stims.

    I’ve got 100lbs of castings extra, anyone want some cheap? Contact me
     
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    Hot damn your busy lol. Nice man all those sound great and full of fire :) glad you liked mycotek gear I just dropped 5 hellstar and 5hawaiin vacation I'm very excited for these
     
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    Your hell breath above looks phenomenal. I hope to find me at least one Jem
     
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    Due to this house fire I’ve been broke, haven’t settled with the insurance so I’m in debt up to my ears. I just hope there’s some of the current stock of myckotek left when I can place a new order.... Been waiting patiently for their WiFi hybrid, which may be out. I can’t even look, too depressing. Nevertheless, I still have my stock. just will have a big hole in the collection cause I can’t keep up. Just happy we had insurance, new gear! Wasn’t the cause, but it was almost all lost aside some seedlings that endured the smoke. With 20+ grand in genetics, you tend to safeguard that just in case thankfully it wasn’t hit at all. Even the fem singles I had in the freezer endured as they all popped as expected despite 12 hrs out of the freezer.

    Thanks to the nice packaging everyone is using, if they were not packaged so well, there would be a loss putting me back to the Stone Age.

    Hawaiian vacation hey? Sounds like a island sweet skunk hybrid, hellstar, I assume is hell breath x dark star, I definately need that, lol. Good luck my friend.
     
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    glad to hear your stock of seeds werent destroyed. hoefully you can grow them out to help with the bills. good luck with the insurance