Coir vs poo battle Royale

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  1. n0j0y

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    In the name of science (that I'm sure has been done a gazillion times already) I am doing a test.

    I had 3 jars from the same Petri that looked pretty isolated of a culture but possibly not perfect.

    I transferred each jar to 3 quart spawn bags (under meadurme what I was trying to cook up.

    Used 1.5 bag in 2 tubs. One with 5050 coir and one with ozz hpoo gypsum coir verm and some castings and pasturized.

    I have only used coir verm so far so will be an interesting check to see if there is any massive difference. Assuming they don't contam. Will update in a bit.
     
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    My take on it...
    Coir does fine for the first flush , but needs more spawn for nutes
    It’s ease of prep is a bonus for many.
    The same size sub with lots of nutrition from additives with less spawn will still colonize fast , fruit heavy and keep giving for multi flushes
    For me spawn was more work and time to make than was mass quanties of sub
    Just made sense to me.... I used 3 quarts of spawn per mono all the time and still got well over 100 + dry yield
    And that’s not true quarts , 3/4 full jars
    So ... surface area of 2 monotubs with minimum spawn vs one tub with 6 qt
    This is just me... not saying is best or the way to go , but does work
    If your getting 1 oz per jar of spawn , then it’s all good regardless
    If you do better ... that’s a win
     
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    Yeah my coir runs I've been going 6-7 quarts generally, tho haven't gotten anything fruited yet to say success, but it seems very high ratio. I'm at a point now where I have more grain than I'd like to get moving to higher spawn ratio is fine. Still working on a good way to bulk pasturize. Bucket Tek with coir is just too simple compared. But that seems to be the theme, more flushes on poo.

    Unrelated hpoo and castings have an interesting smell.
     
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    Get the live steam box going for pasteurization
    You will never look back
     
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    Hadn't seen that. Looks easy enough.
     
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    So far coir is in the lead. Not seeing anything on the poo tub. I've never used before and though I checked for field capacity when I mixed it, it seems to be very wet looking in the tub. Also seeing a decent amount of water between tub and liner so I am guessing I was over on water.

    That being said, do I just let it go and see what happens, drill a few tiny drain holes in bottom?
     
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    How are you colonizing your tubs ?
    Tight poly / Saran on lid ?
     
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    Duct tape over holes and syran wrap
     
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    You need some GE
    That’s where your slow colonization and green are coming from
     
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    Other 2 tubs done same way are looking pretty good from what I can see. Guess I'm going off old methods. Tight poly vs tape then?
     
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    Tight poly and Saran lid works great
    8-10 day colonization with a aggressive culture
    You can tape the holes but leave the lid loose fit for GE
    A lot of us stack tubs ... loose lids don’t work good for that
     
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    I have 2 at 6 days that look pretty solid. The tub with the green was a mix of several different colonies as a first go vs expanded culture so may have slowed it some too I'd guess.

    But yeah will do poly going forward.
     
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    You will see a big difference
     
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    So, for existing tubs would you recommend removing tape adding poly or just removing syran which would give some through the lid for bow. Have on shelves so not stacked atm
     
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    At least remove the Saran
    That hpoo sub will go sour / septic / anerobic sealed up
     
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    Appreciate you taking the time to respond. Thanks for the help
     
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    No problem, that’s why I’m here
    All the beneficial microbial life you added and nurture with the trouble of pasteurization need a thriving environment
    Stale and stagnant will kill them
    Let me tell ya , I know from experience !!!
    It a really bad smell
     
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    Yeah I guess I thought you wanted it sealed for co2 buildup but guess not completely. Will make adjustments in the morning
     
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    Alright, swapped tape for tight poly on the bins I have colonizing.


    One observation, the hpoo one felt very warm compared to the other on the bottom. This could just be due to the presence of the water but one thing I had read to be wary of was excess warmth.

    It smells exactly like what I put in there so doesn't seem like a bacterial issue so far but obviously I'm a novice at identification.

    Will keep an eye to see if the ge speeds things up but if I don't see anything in a few days if be Keen to get it away from other projects.