Redcat's cold soak grain prep tek

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  1. redcat

    redcat The Myco Machine Moderator Mushroom Doctor Supporter

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    I'll be adding to this Tek in the future. I want to get it going along to help anybody who'd like to try an easy grain prep method.
    Simply put

    Step 1. Add cold water to the grain soak vessel youre using. Pick an apprpriate size vessel that you will only fill half way with grains. You can use an ice tea container or beer cooler as a vessel if youd like. I use a beer cooler. The vessel is what youre hydrating your grains in.

    Step 2. Add an appropriate amount of Powdered Food Grade Gypsum to the soak water. If its a small container use a large pinch. I use a tsp for 5 gallons of soak water.

    Step 3. You are going to add your grains to the water. Immediatley before you put your grains into the soak water be sure to mix up thoroughly the water and Gypsum. Add the grains while the water is still swirling around to distribute all the gypsum, Be sure the soak water covers the grains completely with a few inches of water. Top up with water if you have to and give a quick swirl.

    Step 4. If your using a small container place it into the refrigerator for minimum 3 days with no ice. Grains can soak for a week and are still fine to use. If your using a beer cooler add ice. I use milk jugs filled with water and frozen. Two liter soda bottles filled with ice work great too. If the ice melts then add more ice. Once again a week is ok. I find this gives me more time in case something comes up and i cant get to the grains right away.

    Step 5. Empty your cold soaked fully hydrated grains into a wire strainer,rinse thoroughly and let drip dry for 15 minutes.

    Step 6. Load your grains into the jars or bags and PC.
     
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    I was hit and miss with wild oats until I tried this, using this it's spot on. Thank you very much!
     
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  3. Mainframe

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    On behalf of the others thanks for this tek redcat. Works like a dream for rye. I had to physically pat the grain I'm using dry. But pretty fool proof tek.
     
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    Id say patting dry isnt needed. Itll still soak up and change around some from PCing. I drip dried and just loaded and PCed and it colonized just fine. Guess it just depends on how dry you like your grains.
     
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    I thinks it's because I'm still using the rye grass seed. I did it wirh wbs and it took me hours to dry yesterday. Im sure my methods will change soon with an appropriate pressure cooker
     
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    Im glad its working out for everyone. I find it cuts burst grains down to zero. I got screwed today and stuck everywhere all day. I wont have time to load 80 jars and PC them today now because of this delay. All i had to do was add more ice to the coolers and i'll get to them tomorrow. Thats why i love this method.
     
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    I prefer to soak my popcorn grains overnight then simmer them until they slightly crack, then I drain and lay flat to let steam dry the outside of the grains b4 jaring them up and I PC for 90mins after reaching 15psi. Works every time. I don't see the need to soak for 3 days or more, unnecessary and asking for bacterial and mold contamination. Just my opinion from my own experience.
     
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    I like to soak a couple of days until I get a bubbly action going on - fermentation process that makes the endospores easy to kill in the PC.
    I feel like it is a good thing to get all that bacteria and mold sprouting before the PC so nothing shows up later. Water content is always right after a couple of days. Rinse, drain, load jars and PC.
     
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  9. n0j0y

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    I did concurrent grows with 3 day soak no boil, no soak just water in jars and PC, and 18 hours soak boil steam. All at the same time a few days apart.

    All came out just fine.
     
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    Soooo. You're recommending to burst grains ? This Tek gets you zero burst grains.
     
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    It is apparent you dont see the need. Because there isnt a NEED. There are multiple ways to do it. The reason Red and others do it this way is there is no real time spent doing much. Throw in cooler. Soak. Throw in strainer. Jar. It is much faster than the steep and steam and dry in terms of hands on time. Just like the no prep is. They can have their trade offs, but they all work.

    There is no better method other than the one you feel like doing/have time for that works. This one works, the one you mentioned works, others work.
    As I and others have mentioned, it comes across as kinda a dick move to come into someone elses tek (which has been confirmed to work just fine) and say there is no reason to do it and the other stuff you keep putting on the topic.
     
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    Thank you nojoy.
     
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    Burst grains means starch and causes all kinds of problems. Sticky clumpy grain more inclined to bacteria contamination during colonization.
    Bummer!
     
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    What do you pc 80 jars in?
     
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    I like to use All American 41Q models to make 15 quart jars per pc and load and as many pc's as I need for that day. I use 3 AA75X's and 3 AA941's when im doing a lot of spawn at once. I think ive got every size pc they make...lol. I have a couple presto's too for small batches that I can do right on my stove top.
     
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    Is there an advantage to gas fired vs all electric?
    I'll spend 500 but I want what's the BEST for the buck.
    Do you use a Turkey fryer burner, I did with my presto.
     
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    I like electric cause that's all ive ever used. The 75X is awesome. I turned mine into pc's by switching out to a vent pipe. I suppose you could pick up a used AA941 for 50-100 dollars on ebay plus shipping and use a hot plate. The AA75x's are in the $900 range these days new . Someone just got a used working AA75x one for $250.
     
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