Amanita Flavoconia (Yellow Patches)

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  1. Suckmyco²

    Suckmyco² Active Member

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    So I recently found out that amanita flav. Contains mesculmine and is supposedly the mushroom that took Alice to wonderland?

    Well I was out walking the woods looking for summer choice mushrooms and came across a couple fruits and an egg. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with this mushroom? My brother said he has made tea twice and the first time he said he fell asleep and had vivid dreams and the 2nd time he said that he had forgotten it in the fridge and he had no effects. He said people in Russia are smoking them idk what to think about it.

    If anyone has any experience I'd love to hear about it
     
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  2. Alan Rockefeller

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    Amanita flavoconia is in section Validae. Like all members of section Validae it is edible, at least when cooked, and lacks muscimol. It's Amanita section Amanita that has psychoactive effects.

    A. flavoconia is sold in the mushroom markets of southern Mexico.

    If you can post some photos of your mushroom we can confirm which species it is, perhaps you actually have Amanita muscaria var. guessowii, which does have muscimol.
     
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  3. Suckmyco²

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    It was a yellow red muscaria that didn't show its red until it was dry
     
  4. Alan Rockefeller

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    A good way to tell them apart is that Amanita muscaria and related species have white stems, while the Amanita flavoconia group will usually have some color on the stem.

    If you have a microscope and Melzer's reagent, looking at the spores will separate the sections - Amanita sect. Validae, sect. Phalloideae and sect. Lepidella all have amyloid spores which turn purple in Melzer's - section Vaginatae, sect. Caesareae and sect. Amanita have inamyloid spores, so they don't change color at all in Melzer's reagent.

    All of the deadly Amanita species have amyloid spores, the only toxic ones with inamyloid spores only have muscimol, so if your Amanita spores don't turn purple in Melzer's you can eat it and be sure you won't die or get liver damage.
     
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    So if I do a spore print and not purple I’m okay?
     
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    I have not done a spore print but I can. Central PA lots of rain a week ago and they were all over the place in this one section of the forest.
     

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    I'm in Central PA as well, could it possibly be amanita muscaria guessowii (American yellow fly agaric)? Looks like crowded gils of varying length but a slightly more mature example might show it better. Should be a white spore print. Not sure about preparation on those but there's an informative episode of The Mushroom Hour (episode 88) that features Amanita Dreamer and she's quite informative. Good listen for sure.

    -maz
     
  8. Alan Rockefeller

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    All Amanita have a white spore print so no need to print it. You have Amanita muscaria var. guessowii.
     
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