Agar work

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  1. kdmmontana

    kdmmontana Well-Known Member

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    You doodz!

    Do i really need a PC for agar work? why cant I just boil the stuff? If I do say Malt agar (not the real stuff) can I get away without a PC?

    Damn want to do some petris...
     
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    You need a PC to properly prepare agar IMO.

    I don't know anyone who has tried without with success.
     
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    You have brf right? Put some wet brf in the bottom of a jar, like a half inch of it and pack it down nice and flat and steam it like your pf subs. Then you can use that just like you would agar.
     
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    camp cooker

    im always in the " cooker required" camp
     
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    Major Myc pasture pirate Mushroom Doctor

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    yeah but he hasn't been able to find/afford a pressure cooker, not sure which but he doesn't have one so that's why i suggested brf "agar" lol. my vote is also almost always "get a pressure cooker" as well :lol:
     
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    ya , theoretically , it can be done without a cooker.

    my thing is , small cookers are cheap,
    grow supplies are an eternal cost ,
    and, wastage adds up.

    seen alot start out without cookers,
    and ,XXX$ supply cost later, they realize they need one.

    experienced growers can make do without cookers sometimes,
    beginners have less success, and, it makes it hard to trouble shoot.
    also, noobs W/O cookers, are almost a guranteed contam question post.

    i also am a big believer in ,
    if you create enemy contams, they will haunt you.
    therefore, we make every effort NOT to create contams in the first place.
    "boil" grows , have a tendency to start out benign, then turn into trich/ bacteria gardens weeks later.
    hence, a loss of time, spores, supplies, and a contam cloud in the cleaning.


    i figure one can get all needed basics for around 100$.
    im not sure its an unnatural barrier to a basic solid grow.
     
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    well i am no beginner i have been growing brf substrates for two years now. I can afford a kitchen sized PC For sterilizing agar so again my question was asked because i wonder why one needs a PC for sterilizing agar, is there something in there that 100 C cant deal with? I will invest in a PC because I am planning to become a culturist instead of a grower. Id like to own slants and petris that i can send out to new bulk growers in europe.

    Thanks major for your input.
    There were talks about a free spore ring and my idea was that in return for the slants and dishes people would send me prints that i could supply to the free spore ring

    This would get new bulk growers started without the need to manufacture a lot of expensive equipment and they could support the spore ring.

    I will also build a print library to help people who are members here.

    /KD
     
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    I have been without a pc since day 1 and i never had any trich or other issues
    Bulk grows are different than the pf tek which was the only way back
    In the days to grow without a pc. People who only want a smal yield
    For themselves dont need a pc but lately people tend to go
    Nuts over it and buy all at once.

    Eg right now i am growing out six boxes and that will keep me happy for months

    The reason i need a pc now is because i want to master the agar work
    Both because thats as far as i can go now and because one day i want
    To learn edibles

    So a pc isnt a must have tool if youre doing cakes

    About costs i spent upwards around 800 bucks so far on my setup
    Space, tools etc. And of course the running costs

    Boil grows tend to work just fine

    Ask vibration how long it took to get there, he had a pc...
     
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    some bacteria
     
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    Different bacteria have different levels of temperature tolerances. MEA and other mediums are highly nutritious and promote the growth of contams as well as myc. When you start off sterilized you increase your chances of success. Surface contam on a plate can be dealt with by isolating. Internal contam of the agar itself is harder. It will thrive in the low oxygen environment. Check these plates out. The pc time was low. Now granted there could have been other issues but eliminating the variables is part of the game.

    Internal contams
     
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    Okay.

    So i want to start cultures to help people.

    Now would a regular home use PC do the trick?

    I cant buy one of those american made etc and
    Besides i only want to sterilize plates

    Any ideas?
     
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    I thought that was a great idea major

    :hug:
     
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    Jeff Well-Known Member Moderator Mushroom Doctor Supporter

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    This one is made in Spain. You should be able to find it in the EU.

    Fagor
     
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    PC's are common globally in most kitchen related stores.
    home PC's work fine.......

    agar is not hard to sterilize.........
     
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    Thanks jaguarette

    :hug:
     
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    Yes, most do.

    ???
     
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    endospores

    endospores require PC to destroy.


    800$

    i have that tied up in my 2 AA and 2 presto cookers,
    and, butane burners, silicon gloves, ALONE.

    PF tek ,
    was growing over a decade before i tried it.
    i personally dont feel its practical to scale.

    IMO, strong sterile lab practice is essential to all serious grows.

    noble idea to create a genetic library.
    most direct way to that goal, would be a PC .
     
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    Instead of having to fiddle around with agar, they could get a good plate from me to get started on their g2g instantly. I could also work on making healthy isolates by making small test trays with rye bulk. Im getting out of growing and into culturing. The next step.

    I can also spend some time creating a good needle making space.

    It seems as if people dtont spend much time these days doing the brf tek, but if people are willing i can send them ready needles as well.

    I like to help.

    @jaguarette

    I understand your point, but there isnt any need to invest thousands to get good yields.
    Right now i am preparing 5 growboxes, they net at least 30 gram dry each and more
    If one is lucky. In my book thats enough and i dont see why people bother
    With expanding if they dont need the product.

    Its of course nice to do bulk grows but thats to me just another method
    Eg id rather knock a few cakes than invest hundreds if i only want 25 grammes.

    So i totally get that some people want loads of shrooms but investing
    Hundreds for a one or two time thing isnt worth it. We all silently know
    That most large scale enthusiasts are either (in most cases) just very passionate
    Or are looking to get rich.

    I do this now because its fun, much like growing flowers. But from the beginning
    It was the idea of money that brought me here. Believe it or not but i toss
    The majority of my yield.
     
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