This one is really quite fascinating...

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  1. Javadog

    Javadog Moderator Moderator Mushroom Doctor Cannabis Doctor

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    LOL. I love it....

    Now, a similar animation, perhaps more detailed, synchronized with
    (one of?) Bach's "Endlessly Rising Canon" would be flying, unaided!

    Great stuff.

    JD
     
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  2. Terry M

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    That movie drives me crazy. I hate it as science fictiion because it is loaded with errors and inconsistencies. These happen with the dreams within dreams. Like that while awake only 10% of your brain is being used, but a dream uses 100%. And by some strange logic time speeding up by a factor of 10. Well, what happens with the next level down in dreaming? You're supposed to again use 100% of the 10%, yielding another 10x speedup in time. But that means your outermost, real, physical brain is now cranked up to 1000%, which is impossible because all your damn neurons were already firing at 100%! And the limbo states and the rules for waking, dying, etc., aren't self consistent. There are others, but those are the most obvious.

    However, it has great action and special effects, as in that Escher scene. So I've decided to treat it as purely an action and effects movie, completely ignoring the plot. On this level, it works for me. It's what I do when I watch a Sci Fi channel made TV movie. The scripts are so bad that it's really better not to try and think about them. As they sang on Mystery Science Theater, "You should really just relax." :D
     
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    What did you think of "Memento" Terry?

    I think that Christopher Nolan's work was been very enjoyable.

    BTW: Have you guys been watching the work of Duncan Jones?
    He is David Bowie's son. I saw his second film "Source Code"
    and liked it. His first, "Moon", is also very cool.

    BTW, I actually took the time to see "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter".
    It was not a complete waste of time...but as is so often the case today it
    is far more action than story.

    (the DH films above at least have interesting stories and revolve
    around interesting concepts).

    Take care,

    JD
     
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    I liked Memento, but watched it on TV without paying complete attention. I'm going to watch it again. The idea reminded me of something Phillip K. Dick could have written.
     
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    I just rented a download of Memento from Amazon for $2. Great movie! The narrative sequence was inspired, and I really didn't see what was coming next, so to speak. So now I'm going to watch it again before the rental time is up, but this time backwards! :D Excellent recommendationd, JD. Thanks!
     
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    It is a cool one.

    I am glad that you enjoyed it. I loved it too when I saw it.
    It blew me away, and tuned me to the "Nolan Channel" from
    the outset.

    The funny thing is that when reading the, now classic, screenplay
    how-to book "Save The Cat" the author uses "Memento" as an
    example of an "art house gem" that made no money. As long as
    my family is safe and happy, I can say that I would prefer to make
    a story worth hearing/seeing than to make a bucket of money "making"
    Freddie Kruger vs Alien vs. Predator #13.

    There is only one film that does the backwards thing harder than "Memento"
    did, and I cannot recommend it to a decent person like you Terry.

    FWIW, the film is called "Irreversible" by Gaspar Noh. It seems to me that
    it defends the bleak idea that the only way to have a happy ending in a
    human story is to play it in reverse. Mind you, I got some sort of twisted
    kick from the film, but in many places it is practically indigestible.

    Imagine two dudes driving around shouting "Ou est La Rectum?!?", over and
    over, and you will have the warning I intend. lol.

    Take care,

    JD

    P.S. See the films of Duncan Jones. This goes for all of you! :0)
     
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    What helps Memento work perfectly for me is this. Breaking the story into episodes and reshuffling them was completely natural from the point of view of the protagonist. For him, every other episode, past or future, was completely unknown. All that existed was his present one. There was no connection with the past except for the tattoos, which were often cryptic and just plain wrong because they depended on a missing context. So it didn't matter in what order these were viewed. The filmaker could play them in reverse order for maximum surprise and impact, without being at all gimmicky.
     
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    That scene totally threw a friend of mine who at the time was feeling the efects of psilocybin for the first time for a serious loop.

    He started rocking back and forth in his chair and his eyes looked like they were going to pop out of his head. I asked him... "James, are you ok"?

    He replied "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" "This is too much"!!! as a tear streamed out of his eye. He was lost in the labyrinth,.

    He was tweaked at the time but thanked me the next day. I thought it was pretty funny. I can't even imagine.
    I was definitely not looking at shit like that the first time I ever ate mushrooms.

     
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    Amazing scene.
     
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    Unless its your first time encountering a gram and a half of PE.... :hmmm:

    I'd say in that case confusing would be a better word to describe how it would make one feel.
     
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    Speaking of Nolan......................."The Prestige" is one of my top 5 favorite movies ever.....seen it like 10 times.....so good it is sick.
     
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    Yes, that is another of his other-than-batman movies. Good call.

    The Prestige was a much more complex story than the other, very similar,
    film that came out at about the same time, "The Illusionist". It was weird
    that they both popped up at the same general time frame (2006) I liked
    them both.

    "The Prestige" is also another film that the Nolans wrote themselves.

    I am reminded of when I realized, seeing "Se7en", that I was going
    to start looking forward to the films of David Fincher.

    Take care,

    JD
     
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    Funny you mentioned Se7en...that is also in my top 5 movies ever.....
     
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    :brilliant:
     
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    Yea, this is always a funny one ... but I believe you are correct. The REAL problem here is in assuming that there is an answer to the question as it is postulated. In fact, there is not ... it's a 'trick' question.
     
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    no doubt....so good
     
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    Actually the real answer is E none of the above or 75%. You can answer anything other than 60% and be correct.