Tomato experts I need help

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  1. Toni

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    Hello all, my tomato plants this year aren't good... I have never seen this before, not sure if they are infected by wilt virus or is just a symptom of lack of some nutrient like phosphorus... What are your thoughts?
     

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    I'm not much help with tomatoes but I'm sure Bootster the tomato growing master can be of some assistance. :)
     
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    looks like a sick plant but then a nutrient problem comes to mind when if the soil is to ''hot'' for the plants?
    does it drain good ? never had that problem though even with the shittiest soil
    lets wait for more opinions
     
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    Looks like it could be the dreaded blight. It happened to me one year, but it was later in the year. I didn't look into natural ways of treating it - there's plenty of chemical fungicides out there (not my thing). maybe Google tomato blight to see if it fits.

    Looks like baking soda is one way,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeBz1e2OwU
     
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    It looks to me that it wasn't hardened off correctly and could have gotten too cold. The other thing I've noticed is how thick the stems are. Is it a bush type tomato or a determinate tomato? Too much nutrients causes that color under the leaves. The amount of blossoms that are already showing up leads me to believe it is a patio type tomato.

    "Hot soil" comes to mind as well. Just let it do its thing. Definitely don't put fertilizer on it.

    Who knows? Did you buy it as a Bush type?
     
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    Could be blight, because I see a few darker spots in the stem too.

    This is cherry tomato, the soil is just peat and a layer of horse poo, the temperatures wasn't hot. I was planning to put some phosphorus rich organic fertilizer and see what happens but now I'm not sure what to do.
     
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    That explains all the blossoms at such a young age. I usually don't get early blight until they are about 6-7 weeks old. I'd say that they hit some cold weather and it put the leaves into shock. How cold does it get at night where you are?
     
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    Around 10ºC some days a bit under and some days a bit upper.

    I'm considering to sprinkle some sulfur just in case, is sulfur allowed in organic farming?
     
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    Peat is acidic and hpoo is way high in nitrogen. I would have mixed the hpoo with some neutral organic matter such as compost. I believe that your soil is "hot" and the plant will recover but I would transplant it into a larger pot with just potting soil (homemade is best) so that the roots can get into a more neutral PH. If it's root bound you want to untangle the mass of roots so that they can get into a better PH soil. I've tried to plant in straight hpoo and didn't have very good luck with it. Sulpher will lower the PH of your soil, and if it is peat and hpoo only it is burning the root system. It wants a lower PH.
    You could try green sand to mix with your new potting soil and that will help maintane the PH and trace minerals that the plant needs, and it's organic.
     
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    Sorry, wanted to say potting soil not peat :doh1:

    This variety doesn't grow very large, I transplanted it into this pot around two weeks ago but those symptoms were already. I asked about sulfur as a method to combat blight not for the soil, here we sprinkle them to prevent mold.
    Do you think it is due to the soil PH? I don't know the PH of this soil :shrug1: but the irrigation water is basic here...
     
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    There are a lot of reasons that tomatoes grow in a perfect environment. If you have a determinate "cherry" type it is a variety that will only grow to a certain height . They call them "patio" tomatoes. This doesn't mean that it won't establish a big root system. I would plant it in a 5 gallon bucket filled with a good amended soil. I use Espoma's "Tomato Tone". It is organic and has microbiological qualities to it. You could mix in a little bit of hpoo but don't over do it.

    I have scaled down this year to 27 plants from 57 last year due to medical problems. The last cherry type tomato I planted was 28 feet long. Sometimes I can't resist and put one in if it's an heirloom or something unique. Sweet 100 or Sweet million is way overkill. Since you have a determinate plant, you don't want to over feed it. Sometimes less is more and KSS is the rule of thumb.

    Good luck, but don't overfeed them.
     
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    28 feet long for one plant? man this is big! I planted this cherry type in the field last year and they growth like 5 feet tall and 3 ft. long that's why I decided to plant it in a pot on the balcony of my house to see how it works, really I can't put a bigger pot there so it's just for fun :wink:

    Well, back to the dark spots on the leaves and stem, what do you think is it? I'm a bit confused.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it is cold shock or some kind of shock hit it when it was real young. It will grow out of it, just don't over fertilize. I like to water my plants with some "Super Thrive". It takes like 3 drops per gallon and is organic. I hand water out of a sprinkler can and water DEEP. Last year it took me about three hours to do a single watering, but only once every two weeks.

    Good luck with your tomatoes Toni. Keep us posted.
     
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    Thanks bootster, will do.

    Ellis, good info. but I'm pretty sure it isn't blight, lurking youtube I found a pretty informative channel:
    [video=youtube_share;mebochs8IR0]http://youtu.be/mebochs8IR0[/video]
     
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    This plant is ending its cycle now, so the leaves problem must have been the cold. Lately it had blight and I sprayed baking soda at night and almost burned all the leaves, has anyone had this problem?

    And this is the first tomato of another variety grown in a pot :)
     

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    Here is the other plant already measures more than two meters:
     

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    Looks like it would need a much larger pot to be happy but the fruits look delicious. Good job.
     
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    I've found that green mold will kill blight, I used myco grow from fungi perfecti added to the soil and a leaf spray on the infected leaves and my blight is retreating. Green mold feeds on other fungi I've learned, and blight is one of em
     
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    I didn't know that MM. Thanks for the tip. Much appreciated.

    Good luck with the rest of the season Toni.