No Soak? No Simmer? No Problem!!Grain the easy way

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  1. RhizoDork

    RhizoDork Fake it till you make it

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    That's right folks! Stick in a jar, PC, shake, RESULTS! This is a tek that was perfected by myco-nauts far better than I. Despite being very new to grain spawn (January) I have had nothing but success using this tek. I hope it can bring someone else just as much! Let's do this!
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    Garden Gypsum
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    DSC02362.JPG I make up a jar of gypsum water for this. This jar is a bit dark, so I diluted it in half. You don't want too much gypsum, as it will get slimy. The gypsum is really only to help the grains break up easier later.
    DSC02364.JPG Now, measure out 350ml (250g) of millet into each jar. Add 150ml of water. You may have to tweak the recipe depending on your conditions. If your grain comes out a bit wet or whatever, just add more grain the next time. Leave the water amount the same. I use 400ml of millet now, and its great. I use the hash mark on the jar. Simple. DSC02365.JPG
    Place your jars in the PC and rock it at 15 psi for 90 minutes. ***THIS IS IMPORTANT** As soon as the pressure on the PC drops out, open it up, carefully get the jars out and beat em up like they owe you money. Smack and shake, roll, smack shake...you get the idea. Break that shit up and even it out. Do this every 15-20 mins until they are cool. You will see the moisture even out, and the chunks come apart. DSC02366.JPG
    ^^This is out of the PC after the first shake. DSC02367.JPG
    ^^This is shaken several times and cooled... Now add your favorite inoculant and..... DSC02370.JPG
    BOOOM!!! Its so simple. Now for those of you with WBS on the brain, all you have to do different is rinse the shit out of it first. Do it in a strainer, and try not to add too much extra moisture to the equation. Maybe bump your water down to 125ML if its kinda wet. OR just go get some White Millet. Its clean, its cheap, and it smells neat when you cook it. Remember...Keep Calm and Spawn On!
     
  2. bobjonez

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    You can use this with any size jar, I use pint jars for testing LCs and MSS. The trick is to take the volume of your millet and multiply by 0.43 and round the number. I also add 1/8th of teaspoon of gypsum for every pint. Add directly and shake.
     
  3. RhizoDork

    RhizoDork Fake it till you make it

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    ^^ Bob knows! Got the math, too! I've only done quarts. Thanks Bob! :deadbear:
     
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    Doesn't gypsum also add calcium?
     
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    RhizoDork Fake it till you make it

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    Yeah, it does. It's a real small amount though. You can get by without it just fine.
     
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    rabbit88 Mad Scientist

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    this is pretty much how i do all my grains but i rinse well then i fill my pot i used to rinse em in until the grains are swimming in water then i grab my vegtable serving spoon you know the ones with the holes in em and just load the jars like a cafiteria lady serving green beans give em a shake after the pc to decompress em and bingo bango perfection

    No measuring needed i just feel it out
     
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    But yours would be SNS. :D
     
  8. Major Myc

    Major Myc pasture pirate Mushroom Doctor

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    Great to see more folks catching on to no soak! I been doin mine this way for years lol too easy
     
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    :whathesaid:

    Literally thousands of jars prove it works well. :)
    I would never go back to soak, simmer and strain.

    It's so easy, just a question of the correct water to
    grain ratio, depending on the type of grain you use.
     
  10. Dirk_Diggler

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    I only tried the soak, strain, simmer, strain, PC method once and I can't say I am a fan.

    I measured the moisture of the batch of grains I have ATM, and it was around 9,5 %. I calculate the needed water amount, add it to the grains, let it sit for half a day, and pressure cook. The sitting period makes the grains soak up almost all the water.

    The pressure cooking and occasional shaking / mixing after the PC allows for even moisture distribution I believe as the mycelium seems to ike it.

    cheers
     
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    OK, I have some time now while my grains are in the PC, so thought of posting some details.

    I work with whole oats right now. As I said, the moisture content is around 9,16 %OV (checked again; OV = oven volatiles), measured in a proffesional oven at work (@103°C for 100 minutes).

    The formula I found somewhere on the net (might track it down if you wish) says I need the initial and final moisture content and the initial weight of the material I'm using. The formula is:

    Final weight = Initial weight x ((100 - initial moisture content) / (100 - final moisture content))

    I'm working with 2600 grams of oats (13 x 200 g cup). I tried 3 kilos the last time, but the bags were filled too much I think.
    The initial moisture is 9,16 %,
    The desired final moisture 50%,
    The initial weight is 2600 grams.

    Now I calculate

    Final weight = 2600 x ((100 - 9,16) / (100 - 50))
    and get that Final weight has to be 4723,68 grams.

    Final weight - Initial weight => 4723,68 - 2600 = 2123,68 grams of water.

    I know all this doesn't have to be all that precise, but the calculation part gives me confidence that I have consistent grain moisture levels ALWAYS. And I have the formula in a spreadsheet, so I get the numbers in a snap.

    cheers
     
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  12. Shane Carpenter

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    So when making up the Quart of gypsum water like the OP does, 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum?
     
  13. burtbkill

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    Has anyone tried a soak no simmer approach? The soaking germinates spores etc... I have been using this method since this post but I get the odd contam in my jar through this method.
     
  14. n0j0y

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    Are you talking soak then right to pressure cooker?

    If so yes, redcat recently turned me on to a 3 day cold soak, drip dry then jar/bag and PC. I have some large bags that I did up that way the other day that came.out looking pretty good and is colonizing fine.
     
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  15. burtbkill

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    Is there a tek with the accuracy of the above? I love the precision of weighing and measuring out the process
     
  16. n0j0y

    n0j0y Well-Known Member

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    Nothing documented that ive seen, but given the plan is out grain in a bin soak it either in fridge or with ice for 3 days, drain then load into jars, there's a lot less need for accuracy.

    It is important in this because you are putting the needed water in to be absorbed during pressure cooking.

    During the long soak you are getting moisture in there and then just the leftover water on the grains after draining gets cooked into it.

    The only measurement is really if you are using gypsum and I just have been eyeballing it.
     
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    Wow, really cuz if i shoveled and slobbered that soggy gob into my jars id be spanking with that green trich lubricant like a monkey slapping a wino for a 4loco