Rye berry Tek

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  1. MycoFreaK

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    * MycoFreak- I skipped the soaking step for my rye berries today. I simmered them until they were soft and drained n' steam dried the outside layer, then put them in quart jars. I added gypsum to the simmer to keep them from clumping up later on.
    Now, they're pressure cooking @15psi going on 2hrs now. I'm about to turn off the heat and let them cool. I hope skipping the soaking step doesn't ruin things. I just don't see it being necessary as endospores will be killed in the PC, germinated or not, LOL! And as for the moisture part, the simmering got that done pretty well.
    Next step, tomorrow I'll be inoculating the 7 quart jars with agar wedges and a couple with MS spores which I checked out clean on agar last week. Hoping a couple wedges per jar is enough, as I only have 2 colonized plates to work with but that should be plenty don't u think? Wish me luck! How do u guys do your rye berries?
     
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    redcat The Myco Machine Moderator Mushroom Doctor

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    I soak all my grain in cold water to hydrate them. I keep the water cold with ice or refrigeration. Im going to write out a Tek on it. Cold soaking is The Future !
     
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    I'm trying redcats method on my next prep but historically I've done the soak for 18 hours, simmer till it looks right, steam dry and pack. Had luck with a no soak no prep method the one time I tried it.
     
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    *My rye berries ended up with the perfect moisture content without a soak. First time not soaking. I did also use gypsum in the simmer to eliminate clumping. Worked well. My jars have been knocked with 3 wedges of agar per jar and are currently incubating at room temps.
     
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    *See, that's what I mean. The soak is unnecessary IMO & IME!!!
     
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    Different method for different people. Surely if you can soak and not boil and you can not soak but boil then there's likely some value in doing both.

    Or if nothing else, consistency in what works for someone to rule out other issues when troubleshooting helps. Doesn't make a method right or wrong if they all work.
     
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    You have to simmer no matter what so the grains steam dry on the outside layer. It's very important to do this step whether you soak or not.
     
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    There are no prep teks that disagree with your statement. I have done them and they have worked just fine. Grain and water in jar, PC shake.

    Many ways to do things.
     
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    And so far my grains through the cold soak which has no simmer at all appears to be running nicely from g2g. So can vouch for that working too. Not that I doubted redcat
     
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    It is fun to let grains steam dry. It looks cool too IMO and i love steam drying. Its just not necessary.
     
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    Hey is there a link to this Tek? I would very much like to read!
     
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    Which Tek? Redcats? Haven't seen him do a write up past what he put here and in chat but its literally that. Soak 3 days in refrigerator or cooler with ice. Drip dry 15ish min. Then load up and PC.
     
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    I will do a write up. Sorry . Ive been super busy. If its a question about cold soaking just ask right here for now.
     
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    It's very necessary to steam dry or somehow get the outside of your grains dry on the outside before jaring them up! I see no way around this.
     
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    you are telling it to someone who is telling you he does it this way and others of us have said they have had it work as well. I'm confused by your saying you don't see a way around it.

    The left over water cooks into the grain when you pc. You don't steam dry a no prep jar and that has been around a while.

    As you seem to like to say, saying you have to steam dry is old Tek.