Red Hard Wheat

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  1. SomeFunguy

    SomeFunguy New Member

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    Hey Guys im new to the forum and looking for a little help. I found a supplier for Red Hard wheat that is tremendously cheaper than the Rye Grain that I Previously worked with. The problem is im not having much success with it. I do everything pretty much the same as I would do with the rye grains. Soak for 12-24 hours with gypum, boil the grains for roughly 5-10 minutes until the grains look right and steam dry, and then pressure cook for 2 hours in a sealed type "B" spawn bag. I usually wait 2-3 days until the moisture in the bag has evened out until I transfer my grains into the bags. This is when my problems start happening. When I open the bags the grains smell like dirty socks? at this point with the rye everything would seem to be ok and just smell like hydrated grain. Im wondering if its the way im pressure cooking it? I can fit 6 (4qt bags) in one 23 qt presto cooker. Should I be loading less? Is my boil time off and messing up the grains? when they are steam drying there are not much if any burst grains even after the pressure cooker.
    anything helps!!

    Thanks!
     
  2. Ratatoskr

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    So you have any pictures of the grains before and during your process?

    could you link to the exact item you have purchased?

    do you wash before soaking or after?

    what do you mean "sealed" when referring to your bags?

    i would mix the bags once they cool to mix the moisture instead of waiting 2-3 days.
     
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  3. SomeFunguy

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    No pictures I have thrown those bags away. Purchased Augustons Red hard wheat 50LB bag. I pour the bag into (4) 5 gallon buckets, and rinse the grains about 3-4 times until the grain water is running clear. This is when I add a little bit of gypsum to each bucket and mix it up. Let that soak for 12-24 hours. I usually only wait 12-14 hours thats when I can see the grains starting to bubble a bit. Boil that for 5-10 minutes until the grains have soaked up the moisture, and steam dry on a pet screen. I can get 16 4 qt grain bags that I seal with an impulse sealer. The filter bags have a type "B" filter which the company says allows the bags to be presealed before sterilization. I load up a 23qt pressure cooker with 5 bags, and pressure cook it for 2 hours. Once the 2 hours is up and the pressure cooker has cooled and the air lock has dropped on the cooker I open it open, and roll the bags around to loosen the bags up, and help cool the bags down. For the next 2-3 days I roll the bags around 2 times a day to even the moisture in the bags. 3rd day usually seems to be when no more moisture will form overnight in the bags, and this is when I open them up to g2g transfer from a Master Jar. When I open the bags up they smell like dirty socks and not usually what im use to.
     
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    if you are going to grain to grain transfer why bother sealing and unsealing and g2g and sealing again?

    are you g2g in front of a flow hood or in a SAB?

    my guess, without pictures, is that you are over hydrating in the cook. However you have said there are not many burst grains so maybe you should try the paper towel test of dryness after the cook and steam dry.
    "You can test your grain by scooping a tablespoon
    onto a piece of toilet paper and leaving for 30 seconds. After 30 seconds
    lift the paper dumping the grains. If any moisture spots are left on the
    toilet paper the grains are not yet dry." from EM666 grain prep.


    i may have missed something i am pretty stoned...
     
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    Ok I will give that a try. I work in front of a flow hood, and after the g2g transfer I usually just seal it back with zip tie. I usually open the pressure cooker in the kitchen is why ive liked to seal them before the pressure cooker. Ive read in past post that the pressure cooker can suck up air after you pressure cook is why I havent tried pressure cooking bags that are just left open.
     
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    I have had issues with underhydrating my spawn and over hydrating my subs. dont be like me! hahaha

    I still think the smell is strange. i have never been a fan of the rye berry smell but it never smelled bad.

    You say you have not had much success, you mean it has contaminated? not grown? just a puddle of water inside the bag? hmmmm i had always cooked my bags folded not sealed. i wonder if the open bags steam out more... im going to do some searching for this "red hard wheat"
     
  7. 970_Grower

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    I am haveing same problem i bought same bucket .Ive soaked for 1hr,12hr,24hr getting same results.Ill boil 15 mins strained for 2 hours with clip on fans on each sid of sink. Fillled over 70 jars 12 made it. Paniced ran to store bought 50lbs of popcorn this i can use. But i dont want to waste this grain, also ive always inoculated with spore syringe. Now i prepared 15 agar jars first time tring agar to grain.